Thursday, September 11, 2008

South Ossetia and Abkhazia

Speaking in Sochi and appealing to the "world Jewish community" and to Israel, the president of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoity blamed Georgian troops for destroying the Jewish cultural center in Tkhinvali, the separatist region's capital. He also claimed that a "genocide" had been committed by the Georgians in South Ossetia (Ha'aretz Hebrew).

The Russians, South Ossetians, and Abkhazians appear determined to perpetuate the allegations that the Georgians engaged in deliberate killings of non-Georgian civilians. Of course, Russia has given almost no access to independent organizations for the verification of these claims, and the main victims of ethnic cleansing are the thousands of Georgians who used to live in South Ossetian villages. 

Notwithstanding the idle rhetoric of the West, the integration of South Ossetia and Abkhazia into the Russian Federation is quickly advancing. It now looks very unlikely that these territories will be restored to Georgian sovereignty any time soon. The president of Abkhazia, Sergey Bagapsh, is imagining a similar status under Russian auspices for his country as the one enjoyed by Taiwan under U.S. protection. 

Israel, in the meantime, appears determined not to antagonize the Russians and is directing Israeli military contractors to freeze business in Georgia. Russia's message has reached Jerusalem loud and clear. Israel will not risk retaliatory Russian arm sales to Syria, Iran, and others. Meanwhile, the precise nature of Russian-Israeli relations since the Georgian crisis awaits further elucidation. 

28 comments:

Nobody said...

Interesting thing about the situation is that the Syrians have apparently approached them to ask for arms sales. The Russians have apparently agreed, but only defensive weapons and they wanted to be paid in cash and in advance.

Amos said...

Yes, I've heard similar. There was a lot of disinformation in the wake of the Georgian defeat, exaggerating Russian arms sales to Syria et al, but it appears that the Israelis and Russians have some sort of understanding in place. We'll see.

Nobody said...

Amos said...

Yes, I've heard similar. There was a lot of disinformation in the wake of the Georgian defeat, exaggerating Russian arms sales to Syria et al, but it appears that the Israelis and Russians have some sort of understanding in place. We'll see.


I think that Russia may be much less interested in extravagant and costly foreign politics than is generally assumed. They seem to be much more concentrated on their economy and demographics. While they certainly have some sort of imperial ambitions, these days they associate them much more with GDP growth and similar stuff. I also think that they actually want to be part of the European club in some form. They are much less excited about the prospects of presiding over an impoverished coalition of Arab dictators and Marxist revolutionaries from South America and elsewhere. They want their international standing to have the style too.

Noah K said...

Did you guys hear yet about Palin's comments on Russia/Georgia in her first real interview, the one that's airing tonight on ABC? She goes farther than the Bush admin., saying she supports immediate membership of Georgia and Ukraine to NATO. And she followed up with the (logical) admission that war with Russia may thereby result!

Nobody said...

I dont think that they understand how serious Russia is. Russian nationalism is at its peak. It's enough to read their media or blogs to see it. They want all their near abroad as their free hunting zone. They won't tolerate any other hunter there. The West should be thankful if they leave the Baltic states in peace. As to Ukraine, one wrong move by their president and they will dismember it. No more games in that part of the world.

Nobody said...

"their president" means Ukraine of course

zionism is racism said...

I see my posts are deleted. Thats essentially a declaration of bankruptcy on your part. What are you afraid of? The truth? You insist on the fictional Zionist narrative and delete any challenges? What a coward.

Go ahead its your blog. Delete away. You can never delete the memory of Palestinians, and you have failed to delete Palestine from the map. We remember every Palestinian you Zionazis killed, and every village you destroyed, every Mosque and every Church, and every name. Palestine will be liberated and you will be put on trial and prosecuted.

If you think the Simon WEASELthal center has a long memory, just wait till you realize how long our Palestinian memory is.

Nobody said...

Ha ha ha

Amos. Please leave this one. Don't remove it.

:D :D

Nobody said...

By the way.

I stumbled on our friend talking to his guys in one of their lunatic asylums (this is of course on assumption that this is that idiot, Arab Advocat). It's beyond hilarious. Enjoy

:D :D

Nobody said...

Wrong link. This one please ;)

zionism is racism said...

nobody,

You suffer from a common mistake that all zionazis make: you always seem to forget that you are the lunatics, and your version of events is rejected as nothing more than a concerted campaign of lies spanning decades. Only in Zionist society is your mthology and propaganda accepted as truth. And only in America, due the the Americans appaling ignorance of the world, is sympathy with Zionism and its narrative still accepted. But even here in the US thats changing.

You are the lunatics. You are the murderers and the nazis. You are worst than Nazis. Atleast they had the courage and dignity to admit to their racism and crimes. Not a single nazi at nuremberg denied what they did.

You on the other hand go to great lengths to hide the truth. It doesn't work anymore.

What you did to Palestine and Palestinians has not been fergotten. And the only lunatics are the ones who continue to cling to the myth that you will get away with it. Zionism is doomed.

I am not Arab Advocate, but I read the comment, and agree with all of it.

zionism is racism said...

nobody,

You suffer from a common mistake that all zionazis make: you always seem to forget that you are the lunatics, and your version of events is rejected as nothing more than a concerted campaign of lies spanning decades. Only in Zionist society is your mthology and propaganda accepted as truth. And only in America, due the the Americans appaling ignorance of the world, is sympathy with Zionism and its narrative still accepted. But even here in the US thats changing.

You are the lunatics. You are the murderers and the nazis. You are worst than Nazis. Atleast they had the courage and dignity to admit to their racism and crimes. Not a single nazi at nuremberg denied what they did.

You on the other hand go to great lengths to hide the truth. It doesn't work anymore.

What you did to Palestine and Palestinians has not been fergotten. And the only lunatics are the ones who continue to cling to the myth that you will get away with it. Zionism is doomed.

I am not Arab Advocate, but I read the comment, and agree with all of it.

Nobody said...

Doomed or not, you have already said all that you have to say. You don't have to repeat the same stuff 100 times. We've got your point. Anyway, hardly anyone here cares too much for your opinion. Your problem is not that you are stupid or that you have nothing real to say (though of course you are both), but that you are repetitive and boring like hell. Maybe you think that you are succeeding to make somebody here angry or whatever, but you are wrong. You are just boring.

zionism is racism said...

nobody,

Is it boring when Jews complain about the crimes of Nazis?

I learned from the zionazis. Just pick a few talking points and keep repeating them. You people taught me. The only difference is my redundancy is based on truth, not lies.

You can't run from the truth. Let the refugees go home, dismantle the zionist apartheid regime, hand over the criminals for prosecution, and you can live as equal citizens as long as you behave.

Nobody said...

We don't want to live with you as equal citizens. We can't. Jews are hyperactive people, they can't stand boredom and you are fucking very boring people.

Now when we are still on your "nazi, zionazi, apartheid, truth vs lies, doomed and my cause is winning" routine. Why don't you just call a couple friends and go to a beach to celebrate your imminent victory?

Latest scientific approach has established that recycling one's comments without end destroys brain synapses. Take a walk in the part. Call your girlfriend, if you have one. Go out, enjoy yourself a bit before you wreck your brains completely with this shit.

zionism is racism said...

nobody,

If you don't want to live with us then why did you come to Palestine? Why didn't you stay Germany, Russia, and New York?

We never sent you an invitation to come live with us? As I recall you also claimed to not be able to live with White Christians in Europe? So your position is the basic zionist, racist position that Jews can't live with anyone. I disagree. I think you can live with anyone. And I don't mind having you as a neighbor. I would even invite you over for dinner and let my kids play with yours.

Isn't that much nicer? We are all human beings and we can all live together, can't we? We have always lived together prior to the advent of the Nazi, Zionist movement. Lets eradicate Zionism together so we can live in peace again.

It's much better for you and everyone else.

Nobody said...

Zionism is racism

Let me congratulate you on writing something that resembles a normal comment, probably for the first time in your life. Nevertheless you should work harder on avoiding overabusing your "zionist nazi racist you doomed and we are winning" terminology. Given our short attention span, your repetitiveness still makes your comments largely unreadable as far as I am concerned. But I admit - you are growing up. Keep up with the good work you are doing. Best wishes.

zionism is racism said...
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Nobody said...

Your comment will be deleted because you keep recycling the same comment. You don't even change your wording. You have already said all that you have to say. Deleting this comment changes nothing since it's all there in your previous comments

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I already told you you cant delete Palestine from the map, you cant delete the Palestinians' memory, and zionism is doomed.

Go ahead its your blog. Delete away. You can never delete the memory of Palestinians, and you have failed to delete Palestine from the map.

Only in the US are your lies still accepted, and thats changing.

And only in America, due the the Americans appaling ignorance of the world, is sympathy with Zionism and its narrative still accepted. But even here in the US thats changing.

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and so on ...

Nobody said...

I am just wondering if you have a memory problem or something. You don't remember what you posted a few hours ago? If yes, then just reread your previous stuff. You can save a lots of bits and bytes to Google's storage.

zionism is racism said...
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zionism is racism said...

When I said "lies", I was not referring to the Holocaust so please do not yell holocaust denier. I was referring to the lie that continue to be propagated by Zionists that the Arabs are the modern day Nazis who want to drive the Jews into the sea. Nobody has ever gave us any proof any Arab said that.

The biggest lies are these two
1)the Zionists are the moral legatees of the victims of the holocaust, and
2)European Jews are the desecendants of the ancient Hebrew tribes who took a short stroll through Palestine.

Nobody said...

I am not sure I got you. Can you repeat please ...

zionism is racism said...

Its very clear. Work on your reading comprehension. Are you a Nakba denier? If not, do you support the right of the indigenous owners of Palestine to return home? Do you condemn violence?

Nobody said...

do you support the right of the indigenous owners of Palestine to return home?

This is my turn to tell you "I 've already told you". No, I don't support it. I told you already that I hate boring people. I dread the mere thought of having one like you as my neighbor. I think you are much better off in the US. Enjoy your welfare, mate

:D :D

zionism is racism said...

well since you dont want to live in peace and equality on MY land, the only choice we are left with is to kill you. And we will. You're an armed squatter. Get off of our land or we will kill you. This is our moral and legal right.

Nobody said...

Good luck with this

:D

zionism is racism said...

No luck is necessary, just a little more time. Because we are a humane and moral people, unlike you Zionists, we will give you a chance to avoid this. The taking of another life should only be in self-defense and as a last resort. Therefore, you will be given a warning to get out of our home. If you insist to remain in my home while my family lives in a refugee camp and you use force to remain in a house that does not belong to you then yes you will be killed. Its unfortunate but its inevitable.